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take a look. >> justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! >> those protesters are shouting "justice for trayvon." those who gathered did remain peaceful. no arrests were made, but "the miami herald" reported that at least one verbal fight broke out between protesters, a man and a woman arguing over the role of race in the trial. >> keep an eye that, but also, another stunning story happening overnight, the tragic death of actor cory monteith. the canadian native who became famous playing finn hudson on the hit tv show "glee" was found in a vancouver hotel room saturday. monteith's body was found by hotel staff yesterday after he missed his check-out time. nick valencia is in atlanta monitoring all of this. and it's truly a tragic story, nick. he's so young. what's the latest you're hearing? >> good morning, kate. sudden and tragic. the cause of death is not immediately known, but police have ruled out foul play. an autopsy is set for monday. just to remind our viewers, cory monteith skyrocketed to fame as part of the hit tv show "glee." he p
take a look. >> justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! >> those protesters are shouting "justice for trayvon." those who gathered did remain peaceful. no arrests were made, but "the miami herald" reported that at least one verbal fight broke out between protesters, a man and a woman arguing over the role of race in the trial. >> keep an eye that, but also, another stunning story happening overnight, the tragic death of actor cory...
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so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >> well, we don't talk about that much publicly on our side of things. when we make those type of decisions, we don't sue insolvent people. we sue people -- it's an informed decision. so we don't -- that wouldn't be a very public situation when that decision is made, how we handle it, and we'll confer with our clients. we'll make that decision. right now, though, i think this verdict is so fresh, we don't have that second conversation not yet. i think right now it's really an important time for the country and the martin family to think about how we treat racia
so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >>...
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you would never even hear about trayvon martin. it would not have this kind of coverage. this kind of stuff is going black on black violence and minority on minority violence every day. so, of course, it is a national story simply because of race. to your point burden of proof. burden of proof is on the state to prove that mr. zimmerman is guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt. what the media has done is sort of flip that and indicted mr. zimmerman. >> we have been here before with a lot of other trials. it is arage i did no matter how you cut it. what's the media's responsibility and have they fulfilled that properly? >> well -- >> go ahead. >> i'm going to associate myself with jack's comments in the huffington post when hay said basically enough. this is -- too much. it is just too much. we have -- as you pointed out, a few things going on in the world and that largest protests in human history in egypt our president having come back from africa and -- nelson mandela on death's door. 19 pyre fighters die in a horrible blaze
you would never even hear about trayvon martin. it would not have this kind of coverage. this kind of stuff is going black on black violence and minority on minority violence every day. so, of course, it is a national story simply because of race. to your point burden of proof. burden of proof is on the state to prove that mr. zimmerman is guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt. what the media has done is sort of flip that and indicted mr. zimmerman. >> we have been here before with a...
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what does this do in light of that to trayvon martin? >> they weren't almost character witnesses, they were character witnesses. we sat there and listened to the vietnam veteran, make us relive the vietnam war in court the other day. and all he did and used that to bolster the situation. we've heard all type of witnesses that have bolstered the character. so i think your insinuation that it was a somewhat character -- no, it was. i think you're right on point. and most people saw it as that. >> reporter: so wolf, right now, we just watch and wait to see what happens with this particular ruling. as you mentioned, the judge wants to get this process moving. she's got a jury waiting to hear more testimony. the defense wants to make their case over the next several days, so depending upon what happens with this ruling, we'll see if new evidence will be dpladmitteo the case. >> they've been discussing this since 8:30 a.m. eastern, 90 minutes or so. the judge clearly frustrated it was taking so long. she wants those jurors back in the courtroo
what does this do in light of that to trayvon martin? >> they weren't almost character witnesses, they were character witnesses. we sat there and listened to the vietnam veteran, make us relive the vietnam war in court the other day. and all he did and used that to bolster the situation. we've heard all type of witnesses that have bolstered the character. so i think your insinuation that it was a somewhat character -- no, it was. i think you're right on point. and most people saw it as...
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on tuesday, jurors heard forensic evidence about the gunshot that killed trayvon martin. things got tense in court last night between lawyers and the judge. near the end of a 13-hour marathon session. >> -- physically able to keep up this pace much longer. it's 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we've had full days every day -- weekend depositions at night -- >> mark strassmann is watching those developments at the courthouse in sanford, florida. good morning. it got heated last night. >> reporter: the impact of that long night is clear in court today. they look tired. judge deborah nelson has made two rulings on evidence motions. both of those rulings, losses for zimmerman's defense. they will not be allowed to introduce a computer animation of the confrontation between martin and zimmerman. and they will be allowed to introduce text messages found on trayvon martin's cell phone. the defense could rest as soon as today. dr. vincent di maio, an expert on gunshot wounds, was called as a defense witness. in his analysis, when zimmerman pulled the trigger, the gun's mu
on tuesday, jurors heard forensic evidence about the gunshot that killed trayvon martin. things got tense in court last night between lawyers and the judge. near the end of a 13-hour marathon session. >> -- physically able to keep up this pace much longer. it's 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we've had full days every day -- weekend depositions at night -- >> mark strassmann is watching those developments at the courthouse in sanford, florida. good morning. it got heated...
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martin, martin -- trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak, and we also had to explain the reason. why trayvon martin's arms were underneath kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so this really -- danny, bolsters on the defense's case and verifies if you believe this witness, what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course, it's more than that. this is a terrific expert. a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. we're talking about some -- even though he says it's not a complex case and he's probably right from a forensic stand point, talking about the operations of the heart and how it affects the brain and how long you can live. the idea of reaching into your heart and yanking it out. even though none of us have seen that, except maybe a movie, we can imagine that and that drives it home. it under skorcores the importan of having an expert that knows what he's talking about. if they can't communicate it, they aren't worth when you pay. >> mark,
martin, martin -- trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak, and we also had to explain the reason. why trayvon martin's arms were underneath kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so this really -- danny, bolsters on the defense's case and verifies if you believe this witness, what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course, it's more than that. this is a terrific expert. a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive...
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george zimmerman is found not guilty in the shooting death of trayvon martin. and only on cbs, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says iran is dangerously close to having a nuclear women son moving fast to develop intercontinental missile that could deliver it to the united states. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning again george zimmerman is a man. he was found not guilty last night in the death of 17-year- old trayvon martin. he stood stoically in the courtroom last nile as the court clerk read the verdict. >> state of florida versus george zimmerman. verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> schieffer: cbs news correspondent has been covering this case over the last year he is in florida this morning with the latest, mark? >> good morning, bob. not guilty in the end jury of six women, five of them mothers decided that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin in self defense. his face was impassive. he shook hands wit
george zimmerman is found not guilty in the shooting death of trayvon martin. and only on cbs, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says iran is dangerously close to having a nuclear women son moving fast to develop intercontinental missile that could deliver it to the united states. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning again george zimmerman...
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the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy. not just for his family, or for any one community, but for america. i know this case has elicited strong passions. and in the wake of the verdict, i know those passions may be running even higher, but we are a nation of laws, and the jury has spoken. i now ask america to recognize calm reflection on two parents who lost a son. we continue our live coverage from sanford, florida, what's next? zimmerman may not be done defending himself in court? now civil rights leaders are calling for new charges. >>> also ahead -- >> in my instance, because i am african-american. we never really get a fair trial. we don't feel like we get a fair trial. >> that was longtime sanford resident and business owner brenda hartsfield about 24 hours ago on our show. i'll check in with her and get her reaction to the verdict. we'll be right back. [ brent ] this guy's a pro, herbie. [ herbie ] there's no doubt about it brent, a real gate keeper. here's kevin, the new boyfriend. lamb to the slaughter. that's rig
the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy. not just for his family, or for any one community, but for america. i know this case has elicited strong passions. and in the wake of the verdict, i know those passions may be running even higher, but we are a nation of laws, and the jury has spoken. i now ask america to recognize calm reflection on two parents who lost a son. we continue our live coverage from sanford, florida, what's next? zimmerman may not be done defending himself in court? now...
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he is still calling trayvon martin a suspect. i think if you interviewed him today he would probably say the same thing because that is what he thought about this young man. >> and let's talk about race, race is an issue in this case. the five people he called about who were suspicious. before trayvon martin, five out of five were african american. trayvon martin was clearly called those names and texarkanaed because he is african american. i mean, is there really any doubt in anyone's mind about that? i think the prosecution has to address that squarely. because there was a witness today who talked about a burglary in the neighborhood, and it was a young african male, what is the point of that? if somebody is young and black walking in the neighborhood, we should call the cops? >> the witness came in, george zimmerman had a legitimate reason for finding trayvon martin suspicious because other young black men had targeted the neighborhood. >> because there was another young black burglar in the world. >> they're smart, when the p
he is still calling trayvon martin a suspect. i think if you interviewed him today he would probably say the same thing because that is what he thought about this young man. >> and let's talk about race, race is an issue in this case. the five people he called about who were suspicious. before trayvon martin, five out of five were african american. trayvon martin was clearly called those names and texarkanaed because he is african american. i mean, is there really any doubt in anyone's...
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trayvon on trial, the defense has made a decision to make trayvon martin relevant in terms of whether or not he was a good actor here or bad actor. the marijuana use is allowed. now text messages what do they say? we hear from the defense talk about how he was a fighter maybe he wanted a gun. trying to paint a picture pour them. is that dangerous for them? you could say yes. when they effective yesterday, we get better answers than i can by. we have mr. vinnie poll la ton host of d.c. d.c. and danny cevallos. vinnie, i start with you, you have di maio up there. he seems to confirm that george zimmerman's story makes sense. the prosecutors anybody nibbling on small points. how damage to get case? >> it was damaging. and the real reason was the contrast that the medical can'ter that the prosecution put on the stand. his demeanor, his confidence, the way he testified, so different from dr. di maio who is so seasoned so experienced and came across pretty well in court yesterday, unfortunately for the prosecution. >> all right. for both of you, i want you to weigh in on the cartoon. we sta
trayvon on trial, the defense has made a decision to make trayvon martin relevant in terms of whether or not he was a good actor here or bad actor. the marijuana use is allowed. now text messages what do they say? we hear from the defense talk about how he was a fighter maybe he wanted a gun. trying to paint a picture pour them. is that dangerous for them? you could say yes. when they effective yesterday, we get better answers than i can by. we have mr. vinnie poll la ton host of d.c. d.c. and...
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. >>> the father of trayvon martin takes the stand. we'll find out what he had to say after detectives testified that he initially told them he didn't think it was his son screaming on that 911 tape. >>> president obama revealing how he plans to make the government more efficient. >>> a swirl . >>> the wife of secretary of state john kerry is now in fair condition at a hospital in boston tonight. nbc news has just learned the family called an ambulance when theresa heinz-kerry had symptoms of a seizure but there has been no definitive diagnosis. heinz-kerry is 74 years old and is a breast cancer survivor. secretary john kerry remains by her side. >>> president obama tonight is pushing for less government red tape. he's directed his cabinet to come up with some strategies to make federal agencies more efficient. the president says a new online system is already getting payments out more quickly to small businesses but wants agencies to offer for online services to cut costs and to help small businesses compete for government contracts.
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trayvon martin is over him. pound and ground mma style assaulting him. he took out the gun which he had a legal right to carry, shot once in self-defense. it is a reasonable doubt case. >> i'll give you five seconds to answer. if you could pick either side to be on right now who would you rather be? side, even though you asked me to do the defense. >> john? >> prosecution on the lesser included charge of manslaughter. >> all right. great to get your perspectives. thank you. here's matt. >> thank you. >>> the health of country star randy travis has taken a turn for the worse overnight. nbc's charles hadlock is at the hospital in plano, texas. charles, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. according to his publicist the music legend suffered a stroke yesterday and underwent emergency surgery last night to relieve pressure on his brain. ♪ you may think that i'm talking foolish ♪ >> reporter: this morning randy travis is in critical condition in a texas hospital, fighting for his life. overnight the country star suffered a stroke, a serious com
trayvon martin is over him. pound and ground mma style assaulting him. he took out the gun which he had a legal right to carry, shot once in self-defense. it is a reasonable doubt case. >> i'll give you five seconds to answer. if you could pick either side to be on right now who would you rather be? side, even though you asked me to do the defense. >> john? >> prosecution on the lesser included charge of manslaughter. >> all right. great to get your perspectives. thank...
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. >> reporter: who said zimmerman had no other options but to shoot trayvon martin because he wasn't adept at fighting and felt his life was being threatened by the teen. zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder saying he fired in self-defense. >> i don't know what else he could have done based on his abilities because, not to be offensive to mr. zimmerman, he doesn't seem to have any. >> reporter: under cross-examinati cross-examination, prosecutor john guy used a foam dummy to question where zimmerman's gun was located when he pulled it. >> if this mannequin were carrying a firearm on their waist where would the gun be in relation to me? >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> right here, right? >> yes. >> reporter: later -- >> may i use your doll a moment? >> reporter: defense attorney mark o'mara got physical. george zimmerman, trayvon martin. >> reporter: refocusing on head and face injuries whether consistent with an attack. how about somebody resisting the injuries, the two lacerations could that have come from cement. somebody resisting me, pushing down like
. >> reporter: who said zimmerman had no other options but to shoot trayvon martin because he wasn't adept at fighting and felt his life was being threatened by the teen. zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder saying he fired in self-defense. >> i don't know what else he could have done based on his abilities because, not to be offensive to mr. zimmerman, he doesn't seem to have any. >> reporter: under cross-examinati cross-examination, prosecutor john guy...
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trayvon was a bad individual or anything like that. but the media painted him in a certain light by continually using a picture of when he was 12 years old and using george zimmerman's booking photo from an altercation in another case and showing a totally diverse view of the two individuals. that had to be intentional. you can't tell me the media didn't have any other access to other pictures pictures and trayvon's family didn't have pictures of him since he was 12 years old? there were pictures from his twitter that were circulated, but we saw the same image painted. the media benefits from ratings. we see it over and over again where the stories are slanted a certain way because it is explosive and the ratings shoot through the roof. there are networks that make a living off high-profile cases like this. as long as they report it fairly that is great. the public should know both sides and should know a fairview of it. it is when it is given a particular slant like this they don't do us a favor. there is an image of racism when anybo
trayvon was a bad individual or anything like that. but the media painted him in a certain light by continually using a picture of when he was 12 years old and using george zimmerman's booking photo from an altercation in another case and showing a totally diverse view of the two individuals. that had to be intentional. you can't tell me the media didn't have any other access to other pictures pictures and trayvon's family didn't have pictures of him since he was 12 years old? there were...
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he was profiling trayvon martin. i believe that all of those things are true, and i wouldn't be surprised if the jury thought that was true, but that's really not the issue. the issue is was this case proved beyond a reasonable doubt when focussing on the evidence, and i don't think that it's been. >> i agree. >> let me ask you about the jury itself. we've got six women, five are mothers. to me, when sybrina fulton gave her evidence, that was incredibly powerful and seen her walking out of the courtroom unable to see or hear certain parts of testimony involving her son. that has to hit home with mothers. that has to at some stage hit home. >> as you know, i was part of the o.j. simpson defense team and i sat in front of the simpson family and the goldman family and they were visibly moved every single solitary day. and everyone in that courtroom felt for them but at the end of the day you have to put that aside if you follow the the judge's instructions and most jurors do and focus on the evidence. you feel for the p
he was profiling trayvon martin. i believe that all of those things are true, and i wouldn't be surprised if the jury thought that was true, but that's really not the issue. the issue is was this case proved beyond a reasonable doubt when focussing on the evidence, and i don't think that it's been. >> i agree. >> let me ask you about the jury itself. we've got six women, five are mothers. to me, when sybrina fulton gave her evidence, that was incredibly powerful and seen her walking...
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martin, and trayvon ultimately ending up dead. >> right. that's her third time on the stand for those keeping track at home. she had to talk about that very painful moment when the 911 call is played for the father of trayvon martin and he said it did not sound like his son. and the prosecution brought out on cross-examination that this was a tremendously emotional moment. even this police detective felt emotional. she said she was choked up because she's a mother herself and she put herself in his shoes and imagined how he must feel. the defense attorney, i thought, very skillfully tried to bring it back to the point that he called her for, which was even though it was a very sad, emotional moment, you have no doubt that he said that was not his son's voice. she had to acknowledge that's what was said at that time. >> john, you were saying if tracy martin gets on the stand and goes into saying he does believe it's trayvon now, you say that really delineates any credibility that he has. >> not as a dad, of course. but certainly on his testi
martin, and trayvon ultimately ending up dead. >> right. that's her third time on the stand for those keeping track at home. she had to talk about that very painful moment when the 911 call is played for the father of trayvon martin and he said it did not sound like his son. and the prosecution brought out on cross-examination that this was a tremendously emotional moment. even this police detective felt emotional. she said she was choked up because she's a mother herself and she put...
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i will love you for trayvon. she even called upon people who were upset with the verdict, she called upon them to remain calm and nonviolent. how is the family doing today? >> well, i think that tweet describes her state of mind and the state of mind of the father. they want people to remain peaceful. we don't want trayvon martin's legacy to be even with a garbage can kicked off. people who may have an issue with our law and how we handle these type of situations should do things within our civic structure to change that. go become legislators, lawyers, judges, make the laws that much better. get into law enforcement, get into forensic pathology. there's so many things you can do to help our system be a little better next time it happens so maybe we won't have another trayvon. >> looking back, do you wish the state had charged zimmerman with manslaughter rather than second degree murder? >> let me say this, as a lawyer, i don't monday morning quarterback, i don't second-guess any lawyer. your decision is your dec
i will love you for trayvon. she even called upon people who were upset with the verdict, she called upon them to remain calm and nonviolent. how is the family doing today? >> well, i think that tweet describes her state of mind and the state of mind of the father. they want people to remain peaceful. we don't want trayvon martin's legacy to be even with a garbage can kicked off. people who may have an issue with our law and how we handle these type of situations should do things within...
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the focus in court again was today this dramatic 911 call from the night trayvon martin died. investigators were called back to the witness stand to share with jurors the response trayvon martin's father had the first time he was asked who it was screaming for help in the background of that call? >> okay. and mr. martin's response? >> that it was not his son. >> i think you earlier said he put his head down or something? >> yes. he was crying. he was sad. he had his head down and wiping his face with tissues. >> tracey martin wiped away tears from today's testimony. >> i started screaming as louds i could help. >> george zimmerman said it's his voice the night he shot and killed martin. he's pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder saying he acted in self-defense. recording was at the center of the presentation by the defense. friends were asked the same question about the same audio recording. and gave the same answer. >> yes, definitely that's georgy. >> i thought it was george. >> "the voice" screaming on the tape is george zimmerman. >> during cross-examination the state
the focus in court again was today this dramatic 911 call from the night trayvon martin died. investigators were called back to the witness stand to share with jurors the response trayvon martin's father had the first time he was asked who it was screaming for help in the background of that call? >> okay. and mr. martin's response? >> that it was not his son. >> i think you earlier said he put his head down or something? >> yes. he was crying. he was sad. he had his head...
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he says he shot trayvon martin in self-defense. savannah. >> all right. kerry sanders in sanford, florida, thank you. >>> savannah, thanks, more on the crash. the tragic crash of asiana flight 214. the pilot was making his first landing in a 777 at san francisco's airport. this morning we're able to give you a better idea of what the crew was facing in the cockpit. >> as investigators sift through the wreckage of flight 214 they're also trying to get inside the cockpit and the minds of the crew at the time of the crash. >> we're looking at what they were doing and we want to understand why they were doing it. >> as the approach run way 28-l on saturday the pilot had a view similar to this one. >> you're flying manually now. >> all right. >> a view i got to experience firsthand in a 777 flight simulator in 2007. like my simulated landing, the descent was routine and uneventful until something went wrong in the final seconds. >> too low, too slow. that's usually a disasterous outcome. >> he is a former 777 pilot who made hundreds of landings at the san fran
he says he shot trayvon martin in self-defense. savannah. >> all right. kerry sanders in sanford, florida, thank you. >>> savannah, thanks, more on the crash. the tragic crash of asiana flight 214. the pilot was making his first landing in a 777 at san francisco's airport. this morning we're able to give you a better idea of what the crew was facing in the cockpit. >> as investigators sift through the wreckage of flight 214 they're also trying to get inside the cockpit and...
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trayvon martin was 17 years old. the defense? listen to this. >> just when i thought this case couldn't get anymore bizarre, the state is seeking third degree murder based on child abuse? is the court going to give this any serious contention or consideration? because if so we have a lot of talking to do. >> second degree murder requires, as indicated in the case law, that depraved mind. third degree felony does not require that. it simply requires that the victim be under the age of 18. and be subjected to what constitutes child abuse. >> the judge ruled in this case that was too much of a stretch. no child abuse. so, third degree murder as a lesser included charges is out. now the prosecution makes its final case to the jury, that george zimmerman followed and ultimately murdered trayvon martin last year. george zimmerman says he shot trayvon martin in self-defense. let's get a recap of today. phil keating is outside the crowd. the prosecutor blaming george zimmerman for making assumptions. >> a long list of assumptions. says t
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if it was george zimmerman's voice, if trayvon martin and he got into an altercation, and trayvon really was smashing his head into the concrete and he really was screaming out and genuinely feared his life might be in danger, would that give him justification for taking the action that he did. >> i think that's strong justification for self-acquittal. on the other hand i think if you feel that it was trayvon martin yelling out and screaming, it's a very different case. >> here's the problem, we just don't know that. we're not going to know that, we're not going to know so many things about this, the only two people who know, one is dead, trayvon martin. and one is george zimmerman, fighting for his -- not for his life, but fighting for his freedom. either way, he could be found guilty of manslaughter and still get 20 years because trayvon was 17 years old. >> that's very true, and that may be justice in the case, you're absolutely right, it's a circumstantial case, the evidence is circumstantial. the evidence is really what story you believe. the defense is telling a very different stor
if it was george zimmerman's voice, if trayvon martin and he got into an altercation, and trayvon really was smashing his head into the concrete and he really was screaming out and genuinely feared his life might be in danger, would that give him justification for taking the action that he did. >> i think that's strong justification for self-acquittal. on the other hand i think if you feel that it was trayvon martin yelling out and screaming, it's a very different case. >> here's...
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trayvon martin was fit. the fight wasn't fair. have a look at how he showed us what the fight was like. take a look at john guy with the demonstration. that you're going to see a lot of. >> you recognize this as being a human type figure? right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. it's actually got a belly button. >> it surely does. >> does it appear to be anatomically correct. >> for the belly button, yes, sir. >> so as the defendant described it to you, is this the way he described it in the area of the belly button. >> what's important right now, number one you've got your knees up pretty high on his waist. slide down just a little bit more. there you go. have a squat. i can't see your crotch, but in the area of his belly button. >> here's his belly button. am i in the area. >> yes, sir. >> did you have the defendant do this? >> no, sir. >> when you talked to him. >> no, sir. >> you didn't have him do that? >> no, sir. >> if this person, this mannequin were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me
trayvon martin was fit. the fight wasn't fair. have a look at how he showed us what the fight was like. take a look at john guy with the demonstration. that you're going to see a lot of. >> you recognize this as being a human type figure? right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. it's actually got a belly button. >> it surely does. >> does it appear to be anatomically correct. >> for the belly button, yes, sir. >> so as the defendant described it to you, is this the...
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>> correct. >> that sksent with trayvon martin leaning over when he got hot? >> yes, sir, sure. >> you were asked -- or you actually spoke a little bit about the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> did you -- you actually went to the scene for the purpose of getting an idea of the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> but you didn't get an idea of the light, did you? >> no. i failed to go take into account the change in season, so when i got there, it was still daylight or dusk area. >> and when was that? >> off the top of my head, i can't remember the exact day, sir. i think i might have told new deposition, but i can't remember. >> can you ballpark it? was it in july? >> july? no. >> was it in june? >> maybe early june. i don't remember the exact day in which i attempted that. >> you went to the scene to get an idea of the light? >> yes. >> and the sun had not yet gone down? >> correct. it was not completely set. >> so you didn't wait until it had set? >> no, sir. >> and you didn't go back? >> no. >> when it was dark some other day? >> no. >> the defendant told you that t
>> correct. >> that sksent with trayvon martin leaning over when he got hot? >> yes, sir, sure. >> you were asked -- or you actually spoke a little bit about the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> did you -- you actually went to the scene for the purpose of getting an idea of the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> but you didn't get an idea of the light, did you? >> no. i failed to go take into account the change in season, so when i got there, it was...
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charged with second degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. zimmerman told the judge today he does not wish to testify on his own behalf. nbc's ron motte is covering in sanford, florida. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. the defense rested after another extraordinary day at the courthouse, including a tense exchange about whether or not george zimmerman would take the stand. today, george zimmerman made up his mind. >> what is your decision, sir? >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> reporter: earlier, as the defense wound up its case with witnesses yet to call, things got testy. >> i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. mr. zimmerman, i will give you more time, sir to discuss this with your attorneys. thank you very much. >> reporter: the tension between defense attorney don west and judge debra nelson seems leftover from an after-hours court session last night. >> i can't keep up this pac
charged with second degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. zimmerman told the judge today he does not wish to testify on his own behalf. nbc's ron motte is covering in sanford, florida. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. the defense rested after another extraordinary day at the courthouse, including a tense exchange about whether or not george zimmerman would take the stand. today, george zimmerman made up his mind. >> what is your decision, sir? >> after...
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trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. sybrina fulton taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where sybrina fulton had to take the stand. tough to go, talk about about her son, hear the gunshot again and hear what she recognizes as his voice. did she maintain it was any hope? that was really something she wished she didn't have to go through. but they are allowed to ask her questions. probably even tougher than that, tracy martin today, sitting through court and to hear about how the bullet entered your son's heart, broke into pieces, went into his lungs, flood filled his lungs and his last moments. those were tough moments for him as he tried to ho
trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. sybrina fulton taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where...
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the death of an unarmed teenager, trayvon martin. the question of george zimmerman and whether he acted in self-defense, clearly the conclusion that a jury of six women came to tonight. george zimmerman, not guilty. it was a case that was as much about larger issues. it was about guns in this country. it was about race in this country. the reverend al sharpton joins us now. your reaction. >> well, i think that this is an atrocity. i think that it is probably one of the worst situations that i've seen. what this jury has done is establish a precedent that when you are young and fit a certain profile, you can be committing no crime. just bringing some skittles and iced tea home to your brother and be killed and someone can claim self-defense. having been exposed with all kinds of lies. all kinds of inconsistencies. we had, even at trial when he is exposed over and over again as a liar, he is acquitted. this is a sad day in the country. i think that we clearly must move on to the next step in terms of the federal government and in terms
the death of an unarmed teenager, trayvon martin. the question of george zimmerman and whether he acted in self-defense, clearly the conclusion that a jury of six women came to tonight. george zimmerman, not guilty. it was a case that was as much about larger issues. it was about guns in this country. it was about race in this country. the reverend al sharpton joins us now. your reaction. >> well, i think that this is an atrocity. i think that it is probably one of the worst situations...
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>> i think trayvon martin deserved more. i think the people of the state of florida and the victim, trayvon martin, should have had a clear-cut presentation of the evidence that came out in this case. the inconsistencies, spoon-fed to them, laid out in some way other than sarcasm. >> reporter: earlier in the day, judge nelson heard from both sides on what judges the jury would be allowed to consider. >> the information alleges the defendant shot and killed the victim, the victim was under the age of 18. and child abuse must be according to the third degree felony murder instruction defined. >> oh, my god. just when i thought this case couldn't get any more bizarre, the state is seeking a charge based on child abuse. is the state going to give this anymore consideration? because if so we have a lot of talking to do. >> reporter: third degree murder was not a lesser charge. >> it is outrageous that the state would seek to do this at this time in this case. >> reporter: ultimately the judge ruled the jury would be allowed to co
>> i think trayvon martin deserved more. i think the people of the state of florida and the victim, trayvon martin, should have had a clear-cut presentation of the evidence that came out in this case. the inconsistencies, spoon-fed to them, laid out in some way other than sarcasm. >> reporter: earlier in the day, judge nelson heard from both sides on what judges the jury would be allowed to consider. >> the information alleges the defendant shot and killed the victim, the...
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about the phone calls is what trayvon martin was doing. of course we haven't spent a lot of time on that. the evidence is compelling. we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that number in mind for a minute. 7:11:57. because the altercation, according to miss lauer's phone call if you sort of look at when her phone call started, back it up to when she heard what she heard, she called it 7:16:11. give her 30 seconds or so on-to-have started, right? somewhere around there. we are going take a break for a couple of minutes because i didn't realize i have been talking for an hour and 20 minutes so we are going to take a break. but before we take a break, here is what i'm going to do. i'm going to sit tight. we are not going to t
about the phone calls is what trayvon martin was doing. of course we haven't spent a lot of time on that. the evidence is compelling. we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that...
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they fought hard to introduce trayvon martin's toxicology report. so why are they changing their mind now? >>> plus, george zimmerman's mixed martial arts training does it better to help us understand the altercation that took place that night? >>> and a remarkable story of hope. for the first time we hear from the three women held captive for nearly a decade in cleveland. >> i may have been through hell and back, but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile on my face. and with my head held high, and my feet firmly on the ground. >> and remember, friend or foe, i want to know. send me your e-mails. "reply al" is coming. stay with us. ting? one asional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. male narrator: male narrator: mattress discounters' $197 mattress sale is on now. dog: mattress discounters' $197 mattress sale? male narrator: right now, you ca
they fought hard to introduce trayvon martin's toxicology report. so why are they changing their mind now? >>> plus, george zimmerman's mixed martial arts training does it better to help us understand the altercation that took place that night? >>> and a remarkable story of hope. for the first time we hear from the three women held captive for nearly a decade in cleveland. >> i may have been through hell and back, but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile...
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cleared of all charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. martin's family deals with that verdict that was rendered last night. good morning, everyone. welcome to "america's news headquarters" on this sunday morning. >> i'm marcella neville. a jury of six women reaching their verdict yesterday after 16 hours of deliberations. here's the verdict as it was read. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial district in and for seminole county florida, state of florida versus george zimmerman, verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman, not guilty. >> emotions running high outside the courthouse as people on both sides of this case consider the outcome of this historic case. jonathan sary is joining us live from sanford, florida. jonathan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. there were reports overnight of protester smashing windows and setting small fires in oakland, california, but here in sanford, florida, people on both sides of this emotionally charged issue heeded the calls to remain calm. in advance of the verdict some prominent civi
cleared of all charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. martin's family deals with that verdict that was rendered last night. good morning, everyone. welcome to "america's news headquarters" on this sunday morning. >> i'm marcella neville. a jury of six women reaching their verdict yesterday after 16 hours of deliberations. here's the verdict as it was read. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial district in and for seminole county florida, state of florida...
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all the testimony is that trayvon martin is right-handed. right there that is a significant, significant inconsistency that doesn't make sense. we all know that we have dominant hands. i can't imagine that's going to be lost on the jury. that's just one tiny example. >> you know what's amazing, sunny? >> yes, mark gar goaeragogerago. >> you call it a cartoon. it's not -- >> it's an avatar cartoon. >> the cartoon makes it a pejorative and you use the language that way. i think it couldn't be better for the defense to put it up there and say this is one reasonable possibility of what happened. by the way, if there's a reasonable possibility that this is the way it happens, you must find the defendant not guilty. >> it's going to be shredded by the prosecution. >> we've got to leave it there. just for the record, i think it was jeff toobin who first used the term cartoon. >>> coming up next, i'll talk to defense attorney mark o'mara, why his client did not testify and why he wants the jury to consider the maximum charge against him. and also yo
all the testimony is that trayvon martin is right-handed. right there that is a significant, significant inconsistency that doesn't make sense. we all know that we have dominant hands. i can't imagine that's going to be lost on the jury. that's just one tiny example. >> you know what's amazing, sunny? >> yes, mark gar goaeragogerago. >> you call it a cartoon. it's not -- >> it's an avatar cartoon. >> the cartoon makes it a pejorative and you use the language that...
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>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard surface. >> would concrete qualify in. >> concrete can qualify, yes. >> in your training and experience under circumstances like this, would you expect to see bruising on the knuckles if there had been punching going on? >> you can see bruising or you cannot see bruising. it depends what part of the body you punch. the softer the portion, you may not see it. in a case like this you can have bruising but it may not be visible unless you cut open the hand, the skin and peel it back. there may have been bruising there that we don't know about or there may not have been bruising but it doesn't make that much difference. you can punch
>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard...
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martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only focusing on at the time of the actual shot, correct? would that be accurate? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're not stating here are you that everything george zimmerman stated at the statement you saw, the reenactment is the complete gospel truth? >> that's correct, sir. i'm just stating the nature of the gunshot wound being consistent with the account. >> were you aware, sir, that the defendant had given one, two, three, i believe at least four, maybe five statements prior to that one? >> i believe you had mentioned that to me, sir. >> i think i mentioned that in your deposition, right? >> yes, sir. >>
martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only...
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trayvon martin's brother. he testified also that he recognized his brother's voice on that 911 call, and my quirks quirks -- question, i guess, does that undermined -- by the fact when he spoke to police, he wasn't sure? >> to some extent, yes. the mother was clearly much stronger, because she knew immediately that was her son, identified it that way and stuck to it. in regards to the depraved mind. the prosecution has george zimmerman on the police dispatcher, using profanity, talking about trayvon martin a complete stranger who had every right to be there walking down the street. and zimmerman calls him an a-hole, an f-ing punk. and months later, after time to reflect, he says the killing was god's plan. that's such a discord nant note to the hear from him. an attorney sitting next to him, time to prepare for the interview and shows no compassion for trayvon martin or his family. the jury could put all that together and say this guy did it whip a depraved mind if they don't buy the self-defense theory offere
trayvon martin's brother. he testified also that he recognized his brother's voice on that 911 call, and my quirks quirks -- question, i guess, does that undermined -- by the fact when he spoke to police, he wasn't sure? >> to some extent, yes. the mother was clearly much stronger, because she knew immediately that was her son, identified it that way and stuck to it. in regards to the depraved mind. the prosecution has george zimmerman on the police dispatcher, using profanity, talking...
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trayvon also has rights in this matter. and this is a very complicated case, and it's going to be very interesting to see what the jury ends up doing with this. >> mel, i can see you shaking your head vigorously. you've been in court. why are you so aggressively anti that statement? >> first of all he wasn't told to stay in his car. he was told we don't need you to do that, sir. >> let me clarify that. let me -- >> it's true -- >> i can clarify that because i think actually exactly what happened is zimmerman had got out of his car and was trying -- >> correct. >> he said to find the street name and at that point he was asked are you following, and he said yes or whatever, and they said we don't need you to do that, but he was actually outside the car. that's one distinction -- >> my point -- >> an important one -- >> a very important one and i stand corrected on that point. my point is had he stayed in the car, had he followed the instructions not to follow him, we would not have a dead 17-year-old, and that's the reality.
trayvon also has rights in this matter. and this is a very complicated case, and it's going to be very interesting to see what the jury ends up doing with this. >> mel, i can see you shaking your head vigorously. you've been in court. why are you so aggressively anti that statement? >> first of all he wasn't told to stay in his car. he was told we don't need you to do that, sir. >> let me clarify that. let me -- >> it's true -- >> i can clarify that because i think...
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trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last defense witness, a decision is made to testify or not. if the decision is not to testify, the attorney notifies the judge and then the defendant gets questioned outside the presence of the jury but on the record to preserve the record so later on they can't say, oh, my attorney tricked me, i didn't know i have the right. they just do through a series of questions. you understand tyou have the right to testify. yes. you've had a chance to speak to your attorney. yes. that's what we all that uought was going to be. zimmerman looked
trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last...
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goode saw, trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the -- you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you could see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> right, in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one, you couldn't get the other one. so there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objectio
goode saw, trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the --...
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trayvon martin a total stranger to him. and george zimmerman had already formed negative impressions of him. you mean to tell me that he grew fonder of trayvon martin during the fight? of course not. and even five months later when he's talking to hannity with his attorney sitting right next to him, he says the killing was god's plan and that he had no regrets. of course there is ill will here. now, only question really for the jury is was it self-defense. and i think the defense will hit hard on the testimony of john good, a disinterested neighbor who says that at the end just before the shot was fired, zimmerman was down on his back, trayvon martin was on top. pounding and grounding him, mma style. that's the testimony. i think the defense will ask the jurors zimmerman had a legal gun. was that not right for him to use it. didn't he have the right to use it in that moment to save his life. wasn't that a reasonable thing for him to do. and for the defense, zimmerman cooperated with the police from the beginning. he answere
trayvon martin a total stranger to him. and george zimmerman had already formed negative impressions of him. you mean to tell me that he grew fonder of trayvon martin during the fight? of course not. and even five months later when he's talking to hannity with his attorney sitting right next to him, he says the killing was god's plan and that he had no regrets. of course there is ill will here. now, only question really for the jury is was it self-defense. and i think the defense will hit hard...
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will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >>> so, he won't testify but his defense attorney mark o'mara is talking, striking a confident turn after today's dramatic session. >> i think we have a very, very good chance with the jury right now and with the evidence as presented. he's already given his story or statement five, six, seven times now so the jury has that and we just decided that there was enough evidence in there that we don't need to present any more. >> both sides using high
will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor....
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trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where sybrina fulton had to take the stand. tough to go, talk about about her son, hear the gunshot again and hear what she recognizes as his voice. did she maintain it was any hope? that was really something she wished she didn't have to go through. but they are allowed to ask her questions. probably even tougher than that, tracy martin today, sitting through court and to hear about how the bullet entered your son's heart, broke into pieces, went into his lungs, flood filled his lungs and his last moments. those were tough moments for him as he tried to hold on as best h
trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where sybrina fulton had to...
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that he pushed the gun into trayvon martin's chest. you know, justice and emotions you have to be careful with it because we all have emotions as human beings and we have justice. you sit back and say what are they trying to do? does it really help you decide this case when somebody who is not george zimmerman's voice screams at you or yells at you and curses at you? no. i would contend. listen to the tape. don't listen to mr. guy. i'm sure people say that i look like joel and mr. guy is trying to sound like him with this really odd f'ing punks! you know, do we need that? i do a little bit, i guess. but do we need that type of anger coming out from a prosecutor rather than from a defendant? is that really the way we are going to present this case to a jury of my client's peers? assholes. really? is that the way he said it? one piece of evidence that my client attacked trayvon martin landed one blow, for that matter. did anything to justify in any form or fashion the onslaught of injury perpetrated upon him by no one other than trayvon
that he pushed the gun into trayvon martin's chest. you know, justice and emotions you have to be careful with it because we all have emotions as human beings and we have justice. you sit back and say what are they trying to do? does it really help you decide this case when somebody who is not george zimmerman's voice screams at you or yells at you and curses at you? no. i would contend. listen to the tape. don't listen to mr. guy. i'm sure people say that i look like joel and mr. guy is trying...
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martin and george zimmerman where trayvon martin ended up dead. we'll vf much more on this coverage coming up on "now" with alex wagner after a quick break. stay tuned. can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male announcer ] see what's happening behind the scenes at aflac.com. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription bloo
martin and george zimmerman where trayvon martin ended up dead. we'll vf much more on this coverage coming up on "now" with alex wagner after a quick break. stay tuned. can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male...
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martin was shot to death because if trayvon martin was on top of george zimmerman it could have been very different than if trayvon martin were on the bottom and george zimmerman was doing that mma beatdown. >> forget what george zimmerman had to say. forget what the prosecution has to say. listen to the science. the science tells it all. forget everything else. it tells you there was a separation between the gunshot and the body. we know that the gunshot penetrated the clothing and then entered the body. >> two to four inches separation between the clothing and the actual skin. >>. >> the natural inclination that the bullet will go but that's a minor point. the most important point is the nature of the defect of the clothing and tattooing. if you lean over somebody you notice that the clothing tends to fall away from the chest. if instead you're lying on your back and somebody shoots you the clothing is going to be against your chest. the fact that we know the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with somebody leaning over the person doing the shooting and that the clo
martin was shot to death because if trayvon martin was on top of george zimmerman it could have been very different than if trayvon martin were on the bottom and george zimmerman was doing that mma beatdown. >> forget what george zimmerman had to say. forget what the prosecution has to say. listen to the science. the science tells it all. forget everything else. it tells you there was a separation between the gunshot and the body. we know that the gunshot penetrated the clothing and then...